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Permalink Reply by Diamond on
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As human we can not judge as to what God will forgive a person or not. Unlike man, God can read and see the heart - some humans are so distressed over various events that when they do take their life their frame of mind is totally gone. However, God has promised a time where death or pain will no longer exist under the conditions he originally purposed for man. (Revelation 21:3,4). Acts 10:42. Luke 6:37.
Anyone who committs suicide doe not suffer; are not suffering - but are in a deep sleep until God our Father judge if they should be resurrected or not. This life as we know it, is not EASY. Life is not easy - and so many falls prey to period of Deep Depression. They are not aware of what they are doing and can not reason within themselves in a logical matter - so we pray that God loving ways will see to it that they will have a hope living under better conditions. There is no fiery hell as taught by so many religion. Ecc. 9:5.
Robin said:See John 3:16. If he believed in Jesus, he WILL have everlasting life. I am sorry for your loss and God knows your pain of worrying about the soul of your son. He also knows every hair on our heads and the number of our days including situations like this. Suicide is terrible for those left behind to wonder but draw closer to a good, Bible based church for support.
John Taylor said:My biggest question to GOD is wether or not my son Brandon is OK, if he's been allowed into heaven after committing suicide in May 2008. Being raised a Catholic during my youth, we were taught that suicide is a mortal sin and those who end their life in such a manner, are destand to Purgatude(sic) until the end of time. You have to understand I was six when I was taught these teachings so I've probally mis-intrepted the majority of those teaching, if not misunderstood same. Can someone smarter than me explain GOD's true explanations for suicide? -
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John Taylor said:My biggest question to GOD is wether or not my son Brandon is OK, if he's been allowed into heaven after committing suicide in May 2008. Being raised a Catholic during my youth, we were taught that suicide is a mortal sin and those who end their life in such a manner, are destand to Purgatude(sic) until the end of time. You have to understand I was six when I was taught these teachings so I've probally mis-intrepted the majority of those teaching, if not misunderstood same. Can someone smarter than me explain GOD's true explanations for suicide? -
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Just a few weeks ago my daughter and I went to a fund raiser/walk called "out of the darkness" which was a suicide prevention awareness. A preacher stood up and spoke about how some people have a sick brain and what happens in their brain is not held accountable by God. He does not punish anyone who commits suicide and he does allow them in heaven. He also told us to hold on to that thought and focus on when we will see our love ones again. Yes your love one is up there and yes I to thought about what you said about your son making it upstairs. My son did not commit suicide but did die last year accidently. I too was worried that he might not make it upstairs but then a friend of his called me and told me this story. She has been going to school to become a polit and went up for her first solo run. Anyways this girl told me she had turned the plan to far and was in trouble for her landing. Just then when she looked over trying to get things right she saw my son Carl in the seat next to her. He took over the plane and landed it for her and she let him save her literally. Her instructor told her that was the best landing she had ever done. Gosh when I heard that I cried and knew he was up stairs where he belongs, and how happy I was and still am. I look forward to seeing him again, then I will grab him and hug him and never let him go again. I can't wait to see my grandparents, aunts and uncles, and cousins. As for what will I say to my son it would have to be how I have missed him and I love him. Hold the faith!
Marie Kruckenberg said:
John Taylor said:My biggest question to GOD is wether or not my son Brandon is OK, if he's been allowed into heaven after committing suicide in May 2008. Being raised a Catholic during my youth, we were taught that suicide is a mortal sin and those who end their life in such a manner, are destand to Purgatude(sic) until the end of time. You have to understand I was six when I was taught these teachings so I've probally mis-intrepted the majority of those teaching, if not misunderstood same. Can someone smarter than me explain GOD's true explanations for suicide? -
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Just a few weeks ago my daughter and I went to a fund raiser/walk called "out of the darkness" which was a suicide prevention awareness. A preacher stood up and spoke about how some people have a sick brain and what happens in their brain is not held accountable by God. He does not punish anyone who commits suicide and he does allow them in heaven. He also told us to hold on to that thought and focus on when we will see our love ones again. Yes your love one is up there and yes I to thought about what you said about your son making it upstairs. My son did not commit suicide but did die last year accidently. I too was worried that he might not make it upstairs but then a friend of his called me and told me this story. She has been going to school to become a polit and went up for her first solo run. Anyways this girl told me she had turned the plan to far and was in trouble for her landing. Just then when she looked over trying to get things right she saw my son Carl in the seat next to her. He took over the plane and landed it for her and she let him save her literally. Her instructor told her that was the best landing she had ever done. Gosh when I heard that I cried and knew he was up stairs where he belongs, and how happy I was and still am. I look forward to seeing him again, then I will grab him and hug him and never let him go again. I can't wait to see my grandparents, aunts and uncles, and cousins. As for what will I say to my son it would have to be how I have missed him and I love him. Hold the faith!
Marie Kruckenberg said:
John Taylor said:My biggest question to GOD is wether or not my son Brandon is OK, if he's been allowed into heaven after committing suicide in May 2008. Being raised a Catholic during my youth, we were taught that suicide is a mortal sin and those who end their life in such a manner, are destand to Purgatude(sic) until the end of time. You have to understand I was six when I was taught these teachings so I've probally mis-intrepted the majority of those teaching, if not misunderstood same. Can someone smarter than me explain GOD's true explanations for suicide? -
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Permalink Reply by Dianne on
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If there is an afterlife (and I believe there is), I would love to meet my Savior Jesus Christ, which I know I will. But as far as a relative or friend, I have not found in the scriptures where we will see our loved ones again. You know how it felt when you came into this world, you really did not know how you got here, but you know that you exist as of today. So it will be when we get to the other side. We will be in another world, just like we are today, but it will be a world free from any and all sickness, and we will never have to worry about dying again, because there will be no more death. That's what I'm talking about. We will be free.
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Permalink Reply by JOYCE MASHER, 4 Amy 5158791808 on
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I usually only view messages on loss of a child. tonight I ended up here. anyway, someone posted this somewhere on legacy connect and I checked it out. it was very comforting to listen to. I dont usually watch or listen to clergy type shows. it is 15 video parts on youtube.com. Search for Perry Stone, Life after death. Watch as much at a time as you can, it may help all of us to think in a different way. these people he speaks with are not just ordinary everyday. they are clergy or religious preachers, etc.
Hope it helps somehow. hugs to all
joyce
or try this link, it may help to get to the site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiLjAbGbMns
Dianne said:If there is an afterlife (and I believe there is), I would love to meet my Savior Jesus Christ, which I know I will. But as far as a relative or friend, I have not found in the scriptures where we will see our loved ones again. You know how it felt when you came into this world, you really did not know how you got here, but you know that you exist as of today. So it will be when we get to the other side. We will be in another world, just like we are today, but it will be a world free from any and all sickness, and we will never have to worry about dying again, because there will be no more death. That's what I'm talking about. We will be free. -
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Permalink Reply by Christy on
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Oh my gracious! When I read the end of your messg. where you sd. that when you get to heaven you know you want to meet Jesus, but what you really, really want is to be with Jerry again! Wow! That's where I am at! I feel awful like how wicked or selfish am I that I want to be with Larry-my love, more than my savior?! I'm sure God understands. They were examples of God- God is love and they were our love... I'm curious as to how well you are living/ coping today? My life partner of almost 8 yrs. died in a work related drowning on Aug. 27, 2010. I have no desire to live although I would never consider suicide. I am trying to do something good for at least 1 person everyday to make my life feel alittle more meaningful. I hope life is improving for you.
Christy
Maribel said:Dear Cynthia, I am very sorry for the loss of your fiancee. No doubt it is very painful what you are going through right now, build faith in God's promises. Joshua, who experienced the deliverance of the Israelites from slavery, encouraged his fellow Israelites to have faith in all of God’s promises. On what basis? “You well know with all your hearts and with all your souls,” Joshua reminded them, “that not one word out of all the good words that Jehovah your God has spoken to you has failed. They have all come true for you. Not one word of them has failed.”—Joshua 23:14.
Knowing that not one word out of his mouth will fail, we can trust in all his promises. John 5:28,29 He (talking about Jesus) will call and all in the memorial tombs will answer, so we know we are going to see our loved ones again, also Psalms 37:10,11,29 give us the hope to live forever on the paradise earth, What a wonderful prospect we have ahead of us, don't you think?
Please trust in God, who comforts us in all our tribulation.” (2 Corinthians 1:3, 4) God can give us what we need to endure, rely on him.
mcynthiamartinez said:Jerry Trujillo was my fiancee of 8yrs. He just took his life Jan. 23 through possibly Jan. 25, 2010. He was found On Jan. 27,2010. So I'm not too sure on the exact date of when he did this. We lived together all these years, and we were inseperable. However when he did this, I had been at my parents for a little over a week. When I found out, I felt as though my world would collapse. I never pictured my life without him, nor did I want to. He took care of his father for almost the last 2yrs of his dad's life. And when he lost his dad to Throat Cancer in 95' I believe his world changed. His father was his hero. We had many talks about how he felt that there was a better place. He truly believed that in his heart & his mind. I just didn't want to accept it. I'm dealing with this pain day by day. I just want to see him again. I pray that he is now resting and that God forgave him for him taking his own life. And I pray that he met up with his dad in heaven, or wherever he may be. He was thoughful, caring, handsome intelligent. I believed he had so much to offer this world, unfortunately he didn't believe so. He was my soulmate, my best friend, and the love of my life. When he left, he took a big part of me with him. I try not to be depressed, but I cannot help it at times. My family has been very supportive and loving. They just worry about me now. I feel in my heart that Jerry would want me to go on and live life. And I don't want his death to be in vain. I pray to God, and I live everyday waiting anxiously for the day that God re-unites us in the promised land. I feel like my priorities are so messed up at times, because when my time is done here on earth, I know I should be anxiously awaiting to meet our Lord and Saviour, (and I am) but honestly, I want to see Jerry. Please if someone can help me through this. They say time heals all, but I just want this life to be done so I can go with him. -
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Permalink Reply by Lynnette Bryant on
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I have lost two sons to cancer one at age 11 and one age 7. People ask me if losing my sons to cancer at 11 and 7 has made me not believe in God and Heaven. See the hardest questions is that if I don’t believe in God and Heaven then I will never see my kids again-ever. I have to believe because I have to see my kids. My life revolves around the fact the I can hold them again.
A little faith will bring your soul to heaven, but a lot of faith will bring heaven to your soul. ~Author Unknown
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Luke chapter 7 describes what happened when Jesus met up with a funeral procession in the city of Nain. The people were about to bury the only son of a widow. Verse 13 states: “When the Lord caught sight of her, he was moved with pity for her, and he said to her: ‘Stop weeping.’”
Few would dare to tell a mother at her son’s funeral to stop weeping. Why did Jesus say that? Because he knew that the mother’s sorrow was about to vanish. The account goes on to say: “[Jesus] approached and touched the bier, and the bearers stood still, and he said: ‘Young man, I say to you, Get up!’ And the dead man sat up and started to speak, and he gave him to his mother.” at Luke 7:14, 15 At that moment, the mother must have wept again, but this time she wept for joy.
On another occasion, Jesus was approached by a man named Jairus, who asked for help for his gravely ill 12-year-old daughter. Shortly thereafter, word came that the girl had died. This news left Jairus heartbroken, but Jesus told him: “Have no fear, only exercise faith.” At the family’s home, Jesus went in to the lifeless girl. Taking her by the hand, he said: “Maiden, I say to you, Get up!” What happened? “Immediately the maiden rose and began walking.” How did her parents react? “They were beside themselves with great ecstasy.” As Jairus and his wife embraced their daughter, they felt deep happiness. It was as if they were dreaming as shown in the Bible at Mark 5:22-24, 35-43.
Such detailed Bible accounts about the resurrection of children show grieving parents today what they can look forward to. Jesus said: “The hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out.” John 5:28, 29 Jehovah purposes that his Son will give life to those who have died. Countless millions of children lost in death will “hear his voice” when he speaks to them: “I say to you, Get up!” Those young ones will again be walking and talking. And like Jairus and his wife, the parents of those children will be “beside themselves with great ecstasy.”
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Permalink Reply by Crimson B. on
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I used to believe in things. Now I am not sure. I want to believe. I have to believe. I certainly believe in something. I just am unsure about seeing my loved one again. I am unsure that we will be together again, and the only dream I had about him was a nightmare from my own subconcious. I want to know. I want to have a guarantee. I want someone to say, yes, if you loved one another you will be together again, and this is why.....For the time being, I am just lost. I don't believe in anything anymore. I am too afraid to.
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As a quasi buddhist and a christian, I believe that there is a conciousness. And if you read , The Tibetan Book of the Dead, you will be able to imagine another possibility. I believe that within us are the human, the soul, the spirit. The human is no longer. But, I do believe in the soul and the spirit and I believe that there is a possibility of conciousness after death. Read plato, soccrates, buddha. Interesting. I do not know the truth of the truth but I suppose I can hope that there is more to life, than just this human "short" existence.
Be well.
lMike Kile said:IN A funeral parlor in New York City, friends and family quietly file by the open casket. They gaze at the body, that of a 17-year-old boy. His friends from school hardly recognize him. Chemotherapy has thinned his hair; cancer has caused him to lose weight. Can this really be their friend? Just months before, he was so full of ideas, of questions, of energy—of life! The heartbroken mother of the boy tries to find hope and solace in the idea that somehow her son still lives. Over and over she tearfully repeats what she has been taught: “Tommy’s happier now. God wanted Tommy in heaven with him.”
Is there life after death? is a question that has perplexed mankind for millenniums. “Even theologians are embarrassed when faced with [it],”
Belief in the immortality of the soul is all but universal in Christendom’s thousands of religions and sects. It is an official doctrine in Judaism too. In Hinduism this belief is the very foundation of the teaching of reincarnation. Muslims believe that the soul comes into being with the body but lives on after the body dies. Other faiths—African animism, Shinto, and even Buddhism—teach variations on this same theme.
The condition of the dead is made clear in the bible : “The dead know nothing . . . There is no pursuit, no plan, no knowledge or intelligence, within the grave.” (Moffatt) Death, therefore, is a state of nonexistence. The psalmist wrote that when a person dies, “he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.”—
So the dead are unconscious, inactive. When pronouncing sentence upon Adam, God stated: “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” Before God formed him from the dust of the ground and gave him life, Adam did not exist. When he died, Adam returned to that state. His punishment was death—not a transfer to another realm -
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I believe that we serve a mersiful god, who is filled with love and grace beyound our imaganation, a parent who loves a child. we don't know what could had happend that very last moment of breath, that last second of understanding that between Jesus and him. that there moment. But if he gave me a glimps of what his love must be when my mother mad her transaction with him, her last word were thank you, in the name of jesus, laid her head on my chest and fell asleep. she was absolutly readiant. my mom was so out off it for two days, with pain and egoney and in the last few hours she could not speak and to hear here say those words in her final moments, I knew she was talking to him. that moment the last moment maybe moment that god dose not intend for any one to see.... only brandon and my lord Jesus know regardless of what happened, that last second, only you know what its like to be a prarent, so is jesus, he is forgiving, caring and full of grace I am sure he loved your son just as much and even more, he knew his heart, just like you. would you forgive him? yes you would and you would hold him for ever, ans so would he. thank you for letting me share my thought. he love you and me.
Dave
John Taylor said:My biggest question to GOD is wether or not my son Brandon is OK, if he's been allowed into heaven after committing suicide in May 2008. Being raised a Catholic during my youth, we were taught that suicide is a mortal sin and those who end their life in such a manner, are destand to Purgatude(sic) until the end of time. You have to understand I was six when I was taught these teachings so I've probally mis-intrepted the majority of those teaching, if not misunderstood same. Can someone smarter than me explain GOD's true explanations for suicide? -
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