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Permalink Reply by Louise Pecevich on February 17, 2013 at 8:12pm

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

 

I interpret the statement that the "dead are conscious of nothing" to mean that their physical bodies are no longer aware, that the physical brain has died.  I don't believe that my experiences were just versions of memories of my family members - the experiences were too unique.  The spirit continues and is alive and conscious on a non-physical dimension.

 

As far as subduing the Earth - well, humans may have been given Paradise but we have not been the best stewards, unfortunately.  We must learn to respect Creation again, lest we destroy our planet, God's gift.

 

If Jesus was the physical incarnation of the Creator, and experienced human life and died a physical death to bring us into Grace, then our lives must have some value and our lifetimes surely aren't mean to dissolve at the moment of physical death.
 
Katherine said:

Louise,

I completely understand your state of confusion as to why God allows us to suffer, and maybe this feels like mankind wasn't supposed to be here at all. Genesis 1:28 tells us that God's purpose for mankind was to fill the earth and subdue it. Humans were created to live FOREVER on a paradise earth, but our sinful parents, Adam and Eve, messed that up for us. So now we are susceptible to pain, suffering, and death.

Since God loved us humans so much and wanted that original purpose back, he sent his son Jesus Christ to die for us so that we can live forever. Job 34:10 says "Far be it from the true God to act wickedly, and the Almighty to act unjustly!”

Like I stated earlier, the dead are conscious of nothing, so it was most likely a vivid memory that you had of your dad. My condolences are with your family, and I do know what it's like to lose someone in death so suddenly. I hope I helped.

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Permalink Reply by Louise Pecevich on February 17, 2013 at 8:19pm

Louise Pecevich said:

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

 

I interpret the statement that the "dead are conscious of nothing" to mean that their physical bodies are no longer aware, that the physical brain has died.  I don't believe that my experiences were just versions of memories of my family members - the experiences were too unique.  The spirit continues and is alive and conscious on a non-physical dimension.

 

As far as subduing the Earth - well, humans may have been given Paradise but we have not been the best stewards, unfortunately.  We must learn to respect Creation again, lest we destroy our planet, God's gift.

 

If Jesus was the physical incarnation of the Creator, and experienced human life and died a physical death to bring us into Grace, then our lives must have some value and our lifetimes surely aren't mean to dissolve at the moment of physical death.
 
Katherine said:

Louise,

I completely understand your state of confusion as to why God allows us to suffer, and maybe this feels like mankind wasn't supposed to be here at all. Genesis 1:28 tells us that God's purpose for mankind was to fill the earth and subdue it. Humans were created to live FOREVER on a paradise earth, but our sinful parents, Adam and Eve, messed that up for us. So now we are susceptible to pain, suffering, and death.

Since God loved us humans so much and wanted that original purpose back, he sent his son Jesus Christ to die for us so that we can live forever. Job 34:10 says "Far be it from the true God to act wickedly, and the Almighty to act unjustly!”

Like I stated earlier, the dead are conscious of nothing, so it was most likely a vivid memory that you had of your dad. My condolences are with your family, and I do know what it's like to lose someone in death so suddenly. I hope I helped.

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Permalink Reply by Wilela Trip on February 18, 2013 at 6:01pm

Louise - I certainly agree with you.  I too don't believe the Christ came to earth to live like us and die like us just to make us non-existant when we die.  I feel like our loved ones souls go on and send us messages and watch over us. 

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Permalink Reply by Louise Pecevich on February 18, 2013 at 7:05pm

There are many philosophies and interpretations of what happens to living beings when they leave physical existence, when they "die".  Some say that death is God's other door, that conscious just changes but continues.  Some say that the individual falls into a deep dreamless sleep, awaiting resurrection on another dimension.  Another belief is that of a life review and a processing, akin to a purgatory of sorts, and thereafter a continued evolving ascension towards God or another lifetime.  Some await a literal resurrection of the dead.  I don't know exactly what the plan is.

 

Why did Christ say to the thief crucified next to him, "Today you will be with me in Paradise (sic)", if there is no survival of physical death?  If we are to disappear, then whatever we have done, are doing now, or will do or think doesn't exist or matter.

 

I miss my deceased loved ones and the good things in our lives together terribly.  It may be wishful thinking to feel their presence around me, but what am I here to learn if it isn't love?  And what is the lesson if I can't take it with me?

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Permalink Reply by Wilela Trip on February 18, 2013 at 7:11pm

Agreed.  You put it so good.

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Permalink Reply by S.A. Brobin on May 20, 2013 at 2:40pm

Greetings I am sorry for your losses. May I use another line of reasoning. The Bible at (Colossians 1:18) "and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things"
No one prior to Jesus Christ was raised to immortal life in the heavens. Because he was the first to experience a resurrection to perfection of life, he is “the firstborn from the dead” The Bible says Jesus was the fristborn from the dead. Where were all those tens of thousand of people who predeceased him-? According to the Bible at Eccl 9:10 The grave unconscious

He prepared the way for his joint heirs to share with him in a heavenly inheritance by being raised to immortal life as he was. We can see from Gods own words that our precious dead loved ones are not separated from those the care for helpless to assist, lonely and bereft of our loving arms but thankfully, peacefully asleep awaiting a resurrection in Gods due time as death is an enemy he will conquer.

Recall that death was a punishment for disobedience and one Jesus' blood will release us from. Rom. 5:12, 17, 19: “Through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. . . . By the trespass of the one man death ruled as king . . . Through the disobedience of the one man many were constituted sinners.”
1 Cor. 15:22: “In Adam all are dying.

I find so much comfort in knowing my poor God fearing mother, who served God for decades, is not just beyond our touch, helpless viewing  the tragedy as our imploding family self destructs. That she is in Gods         ' Book of Life' , his memory awaiting a resurrection.

This is not a new thought, the immortality of the soul. From the moment Satan told Eve she would not die if she disobeyed which was in direct opposition to the Creators words people have argued this subject usually without consulting the Holy Writings where we find the truth

Wilela Trip said:

Louise - I certainly agree with you.  I too don't believe the Christ came to earth to live like us and die like us just to make us non-existant when we die.  I feel like our loved ones souls go on and send us messages and watch over us. 

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Permalink Reply by victoria, Justin's Mom on May 20, 2013 at 9:57pm

Perhaps those posters who wish to discuss biblical views on death should start a separate discussion on that subject amongst themselves and free up this discussion for those with questions and comments concerning "messages from the other side".

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Permalink Reply by David, Bernie's dad on May 20, 2013 at 11:33pm

Well put, Victoria. I still wait and hope for a message from Bernie one day.

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Permalink Reply by Gayle Guadagnolo on May 21, 2013 at 9:56am

I haven't been on this site in months and so appropriate that I received an email alert to a new post.  Yesterday was the 5th anniversary of my son; Aarons' death.  How do you go five years without seeing your child?  But, he is after me always to help others heal so I feel compelled to chime in.  

You most certainly can receive messages from your loved ones on the other side.  I have been receiving messages since the day that my son passed (only I wasn't aware of it)  They are all around us, only in another form.  I know this for sure because my son made sure that I did and he continues to help me.  If you can open up your heart and your mind, you will see that they are looking out for you and sending you signs more than you know.  

Religion is just religion.  And beliefs come in all forms.  What matters is what makes sense to us and helps us to live the best life here that we can.  It doesn't matter who wrote the words, they all come from the same place- it is the love that we have for one another.  What I have found out without a doubt over my journey of the past five years is that our loved ones still love us and are still with us.

I have a web site and blog about my experience since my sons' death.  I had no ideas about life after death prior to his accident.  I had no religious faith of any kind.  The things that have happened to me are so that I can help others like me to heal.  That is what my son wants so that is what I will try to do.  Please take a look at my web site www.aaronsmailbox.com   read the blog and how I learned about life after death.  I was not a likely candidate to believe in anything outside of what I could touch or feel, but my son had different plans for me.  Not everyone will be as fortunate as I was to have things transpire as they did, and that is why I share it with those that might be helped too.  My experience is for us all. To help who ever it can.

Last night my friend called and asked if my husband was using a phillips head screwdriver? Because Aaron was telling her at that moment that he was and that he was with his Dad  . I asked my husband when he came into the house and he said yes, that he was just outside working on something with a phillips head screwdriver.  (that's my boy!)

I hope that aaronsmailbox and my experience can help you in some way.  It is not an easy road and sometimes I am better at getting through the day than others.  However, I do know that if I did not know what I do now, it would be  an impossible journey .  

I wish you peace in your heart.

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Permalink Reply by Hallie on May 23, 2013 at 8:49am

Funny = friends of ours just lost their son last week.  Was thinking of Talon and at that moment looked up and a ray of sunlight poked through the clouds.  Made my day!

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