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Comment by Frances C Younger on July 13, 2019 at 10:12pm

Yep Steve, you get an A from this teacher.  I actually ran across something the other day about the word 'nice'.  

Comment by Steve G. on July 13, 2019 at 12:42pm

One of my favorite movies is on "On a clear day you can see forever".

I have read many books about re- incarnation and I have also read the Bible many times, but never bothered to consider researching.  Simple things like words we see in printed form, that did not exist 2000 years ago.  The other part was the context and history thru the years to today.

King James ordered his scribes to translate a 13th century Catholic Bible from latin into old english of his time and he choose what to leave in and what to take out.  He wanted his subjects to read and understand the bible.

History is full of mis- interpretations, these are my own assumptions based on my own research.

All of the original writtings perished when the Romans burned and pillaged Jerusalem.  Plenty of copies were held in secrete and these were the basis of what we have today.

Each year the english language adds about 1500 new words as pur society changes.  Also, we have words that have many different meanings, depending on the context in which they are used.

Take the word nice...in Victorian times, persons not wishing to say anything bad about someone, would refer to them as "nice".  Not very flattering, today we use it to describe things we like.

Sorry...i digress sometimes... 

Comment by Frances C Younger on July 13, 2019 at 11:12am

Steve, I agree with you as well.  We were taught out parent's faith.  Now, we see different and are more free to discuss it.  I am non-denominational, but a follower of the teachings of Christ.  At the same time, am I am sure you are by how you post, I read and question a lot.

Comment by Frances C Younger on July 13, 2019 at 11:08am

I believe as you do Mary Jane.  Believe it or not, I did dream about him last night!!!  He was trying to get me a ring to make me happy.  :\End result, I told him we were still married.  

My good news is I did finally send two children stories to an agent. That does not mean she can sell them, but I have got back into writing.  Trying to get to a satisfying new norm.

Comment by Mary. Jane on July 13, 2019 at 11:04am

Steve, your experience is AWESOME and I KNOW you had been there b4 in a different life! 

In 1967 Idiscovered Edgar Cayce...and read about re-incarnation for the first time. It was like something clicked into place. Even as a small child, attending Sunday school, heaven and hell never made sense to me...but THIS did. Finally! I will skip the details...life went on, and I embraced this new belief..but a few years ago I tried to re-read books about him..and they seemed too clinical.and hard to read with my old eyes. Fast forward to last August, where a friend gave me a book..written by a psychologist named WEISS...called Many Lives, Many Masters. It is still on the best selerliston Amazon after 25 years.....A lady had come to him for some health problems..and he uses hypnosis with his patients, but when he hypnotized her...she went to past lives! Lots of past lives. He was NOT a believer at the time...but she was able to describe time periods, clothing, housing, many many things that could be verified...he had never entertained this idea...

the book is RIVITING!!!  He has since had hundreds of  patients who have done the same thing .but the point is, ALL of them declare that in each life, they are with the same people!  Sometimes the rolls are different, ie: a mother in one life, might be a sister or a father in another...but in every life each person he put under had the exact same experience, of being with loved ones in each life. Even people who were not family etc...it is hard to explain...but each time period and experience was seriously researched and found to be accurate. There were different time periods, countries etc...so much detail that was checked out and found to be accurate. So we are with the same people throughout eternity...I urge everyone to read this book..and he has written several more on the same subject, but this first one is still top of the list. The library might have it, or Amazon has it on its best seller list..andthe things from past lives DO affect other lives...one patient had an eating disorder...couldn,loose weight and when hypnotized  it was discovered she had  starved to death in a few of her past lives..this is waaay too much to te and tell here..so go check it out. Amazon lets u read pages in the book...ok I am done for now...

Comment by Steve G. on July 13, 2019 at 7:22am

Mary Jane,

Your beliefs are not worrisome or strange, life itself is a complete mystery to me.  My thoughts these days tells me that I have learned a great many lessons and I believe that is why we are who we are.  There are many mysteries in this life if we just take time to notice them, there are more grains of sand on any beach than the mystery's of this world.  Helps me to accept the fact that I do not have "all the answers".  

Once when I was 19 and in the US Navy, my ship pulled into a small town in Italy, San Remo.  As soon as I stepped onto the land, a kind of shock wave went thru me, I felt as if I had been there before, I was familiar with the city and it's streets instantly.  My shipmates with me asked "what's wrong", I said nothing, let's get something to eat.  One asked where, so I said follow me.  We found ourselves in a local restaurant off the beaten path of tourists and had one of the best 6 course meals ever!  In the window was a sign that said Tourist special today (in English) $2.00 American.  Of course my shipmates were surprised and delighted that I found this place and all of them said surely you have been here before.  I kept my secret by saying that my Uncle had been to this same town when he was in the Navy (which was a secret little lie).  I felt at home there and to this day the memories of our 1 week stay there will forever haunt me.  I believed then and now, the memories must have been from a previous life, although it went against all the religious teachings I had as a child.

The most important lesson any one of us can have is learning to Love one another as we love ourselves and to pass it forward.  Who knows, we may be passing someone who just needs someone to smile and say hello.  I believe anything and everything is possible and we make the choices we do to learn from our highs and our lows.

So take heart dear sister, we are never really alone.  I am so happy for your dream and hearing Bob's voice.    

Hugs

Steve

Comment by Mary. Jane on July 12, 2019 at 11:53pm

What a sweet reply, Frances...maybe I will take u up on the game thing when everything quiets down.

Don,t worry about not communicating with your loved one..like you said..u feel him in everything around you. I think it was about 10 months after he died, when I had the first dream with him in it..but he is here...I saw a stunning red dragon fly twice here..I had never seen one that color...and I saw a YELLOW monarch butterfly a few days ago...fly around me..and he still FINDS things for me..things I misplace...I don,t even bother to look for misplaced items anymore..I just ask Bob where the item is, and it is the next place I look. It happens too frequently to be co-incidental. 

No, it was time for me to move and be with my daughter...I am going to be 73 in September, and who knows how much longer I will live? After Bob died, I sat in his chair for 3 years watching Golden Girl reruns...and I need to start living again. 

Francis..if you feel him...why don,t you ask him if he can visit you in a dream? Can,t hurt. But I also get the feeling those recently passed have some sort of “work” they have to do in heaven before they can visit us. Yes, I know that sounds strange, but I think they have lessons to be learned from the life they just left...and then they can contact us..or not. There is so much we need to know...but  we just have to be patient. Some people never feel their loved ones after they pass, so we are blessed. But I also believe we will see them in our next life..and we have been with the same people for a lot of lives. Yes, I believe in re-incarnation...but I respect the beliefs of all people...and so many believe death is final. I just don,t happen to be one of them...and I find it comforting to think we will be together for eternity...in many different lives. 

I know Bob was my soul mate. The minute I met him, I felt a shockwave in my heart...and I knew we were meant for each other.   I married him 8 months later...and it lasted 49 years. Ok, my rambling sounds like I have gone over the edge, but I assure you, I do not drink alcohol, or do any drugs...this is just what I choose to believe. 

Comment by Frances C Younger on July 12, 2019 at 11:22pm

How can we help?  Do you like Words with Friends on Facebook, or Scrabble?  When my Mom passed away, my Dad played Scrabble and Poker online every night with online friends.  I am in NC, and not sure of the time difference.       

I do understand how you feel - kind of like when I was in Germany and my stuff was in the US.  I was young and pro active about meeting people.  There in Ca.  I would find the heat hard to deal with.  But I would fill up my tub, and be in it as often as I need it to keep cool!!  I would have cold drinks, books, fans and my computer in my bathroom!!  I felt you were moving too quickly, but we have to make decisions.  I am glad you had a wonderful dream with conversation.  It has been 5 months, and I have not.  Yet, like so many of us, I do feel him here.  Prayers for you.  It is a struggle.

Comment by Mary. Jane on July 12, 2019 at 11:03pm

I forgot to address the realtor issue. My realtor was a ****. Sorry, but she was. The bad part was I really LIKED her..but she lied to me...she didn,t fight for MY SIDE..but caved in at all the BUYERS demands! I thought of firing her, and hiring the buyers realtor. And I am the one that paid everyone’s commission! 

And I am appalled at how much $$$$$$$ everything costs..and everyone has their hand out. I wish I had been able to stay in Oklahoma...and I cannot believe I just typed that. 

One GREAT thing..today when I took a nap..Bob was with me, and he TALKED to me! In his voice! It had been so long since I had heard his voice! The dream didn,t make sense, but this is the first time he EVER spoke directly to me!!!  It was wonderful.

Comment by Mary. Jane on July 12, 2019 at 10:55pm

Thanks, Steve..yes moving is a nightmare. Hopefully my stuff will arrive this weekend..I checked my bill of lading, and NO WHERE does it havemy correct phone number or my cell phone number..just my old one! Now I am worried..and the broker in Oklahoma doesn,t work weekends! They do havemy daughters number, but she will be flying back to CA tomorrow...in an airplane...and I can live without my stuff..but I only took 3 weeks of medication with me when I flew out..I will be out of my meds on Wednesday! I will have to go to an urgent care Dr here. 

Then I got a note in my mailbox, from a neighbor  asking me to turn off my porch light at night, as it shines right into their bedroom. I dunno why they waited until today to tell me...I am finding it hard to realize that crime is lower here..and the light doesn,t need to b on all night. It just seems it is one thing after another. 

But, like you said..hopefully there will b a happy ending.  Thank you for sharing that story.

 

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