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Comment by Marsha H on October 25, 2013 at 5:44pm

Barbara ...

I've researched for you and have given you both sides ... using chemo/radiation or Holistic Methods so you can decide what you want to discuss with your sister.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lung-cancer/DS00038/DSECTION=compl...

 

http://www.budwigcenter.com/budwig-protocol.php

 

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/about-cancer/treatment/...  Barbara, I prefer this one complementary/alternative medicines that work together.  Example:  If you sister prefer having Chemo or Radiation then alternative medicine (both doctors work together) can lessen the terrible side effects of chemo while boosting the immune system that the chemo attacks.

I hope this helps and I can give you more information, but know you are exhausted and this is enough information for you.  If you would like more information just post to me and I'll be happy to give it to you.

I know that alternative medicine can certainly alleviate side effects and boost the immune system and sometimes, depending on the cancer eradicate it altogether as it did with my friend who had both breasts removed and is fine after 20 years.  It's hope and I'm going for the best quality of life for your sister so she can spend it with her son.  Chemo unfortunately can make you so ill that she wouldn't have that quality of time with her son as she'd be too ill. 

Hugs & Prayers coming your way.

Marsha

 

 

Comment by Marsha H on October 25, 2013 at 5:22pm

Barbara ...  You will always have my support as others will give you.  When you're down we'll pick you up and cyber hug you and when you're at a crossroads we'll try to help you figure out what is best for you and your sister.

We all feel in our grief that we can't seem to do anything right, yet look at the posts here and see what heroes we all are just to make it through one day at a time.  We are much stronger than we think.  You will get through this Barbara even though the burden is heavy on your heart.  May I suggest you seek either group counseling for grief or a one-on-one while going through this difficult time with your sister.  It will help.  Personally, I'd go through the one-on-one method. 

I'm off to do some research for you and hope it helps.  I'll post as soon as possible.

Love & Hugs

Marsha

Comment by Barbara Sullivan on October 25, 2013 at 11:04am

Dear Mark A Mandel -- Thank you for the lovely description of the Jewish tradition and how you and your family and friends observed the unveiling of your wife's headstone.  It was a touching tribute and I think helped us all hope for the same kind of "magical" experience to ease our grieving.

I am glad you have decided to stay with us for a bit -- you have something to offer for those of us who do not have the "real-ness" of a congregation or family and friends, and I hope you will continue to share your experiences and the traditions of your faith.

Barbara

Comment by Barbara Sullivan on October 25, 2013 at 9:34am

Dear Jane P, Marsha H, and Mike F -- thanks so much for your words of comfort and encouragement -- my sister is trying to make a decision about chemo -- she went through it for a year when her first cancer appeared and it was awful for her, so her inclination is to refuse it -- but, she has a 14 year old son, and she believes she owes him the fight for more time.  It's a decision none of us can help her make -- but after seeing what my Chris suffered, I am more in favor of the Holistic methods.  I believe in miracles, even though there was none for my Chris.

I don't know how to handle the new crisis with my sister and the on-going assault of grief for Chris -- sometimes I think that I can do nothing right -- and everything wrong -- for myself and everyone else.  But I am here, this is where God has put me, and I have no choice but to endure and hopefully learn whatever life-lesson I am being given.  Thank you so much, dear Legacy friends -- you cannot know how much you have meant to me. . . how much help I have received from all of you.

Comment by Marsha H on October 25, 2013 at 3:44am

Dear Barbara ... I am so very sorry to hear about your sister. I can't even begin to imagine what she is going through getting this type of news.  You are so strong Barbara and I know you will be there to watch over her, but sad you have to see you go through another tragedy after your husband's passing.  Life sometimes doesn't seem fair.  My brother has prostate cancer and we are hoping it has been caught early enough and we're on tender hooks.  How odd that after our spouses pass away many of us have had other family members or friends pass away shortly before our spouses or after.  As if grieving for our spouse is not enough we often are grieving for yet another.

Lean on us Barbara as we'll be here for you and prayers are coming your way for your sister and you. 

This is only a suggestion, but have several friends going through Chemo and have decided to stop as it takes away any quality of life and also destroys the immune system.  One of my girlfriends had a bad diagnosis with cancer to both breasts and gave her 6 months to live.  She went to a Holistic doctor and that was 20 years ago and she beat it.  Sometimes I feel if the person who has cancer believes in an alternative medicine along with counseling the mind is a wonderful healing tool.  I am only giving you food for thought to help you with your sister and it's at least some hope, but of course it's up to your sister and how you feel about it.  Miracles happen often.  Modern medicine today give death sentences and Holistic Medicine makes you feel you are doing something to help yourself and you are in control along with the mind helping to heal. 

I am the one that is the glue in both sides of the family as I'm extremely family orientated.  Sometimes I have to push, but it's worth it in the end.  Who cares who has the glue as long as it binds family.

Big hugs and prayers coming your way

Marsha 

Comment by Marsha H on October 25, 2013 at 3:29am

Mark A ...  What a beautiful tribute to your wife.  I had images of it and love the tradition even though I am not of the Jewish Faith.  I was in awe how gracefully and heart-felt your words were and kissing your wife's headstone.  I was in tears.

It's OK if you don't want to post here.  You are so lucky to have family and many friends as some of us aren't that lucky.  Some faiths just seem to be better than others I suppose.

Thank you for sharing such a beautiful tribute to your wife.

 

Comment by Marsha H on October 25, 2013 at 3:26am

I had a very strange day today and don't know if it's part of healing during the grieving process or not.  I am also trying to quit smoking which isn't an easy task.  Between thinking of my Ernie and things piling up so quickly I was in a foul mood today (unlike me) and nothing went right.)

I left a post here a couple of months ago saying I had joined a women's group (women helping women) and tonight went to a auction and then they had a meeting called 'uncluttered' telling us how we could unclutter our house.  Some good tips, but I thought to myself 'mmm, you don't mention anything about a spouse passing away and how hard that is to unclutter.' It was an unfair thought I had, but couldn't help but think about.  I just can't concentrate on these meetings and find constant chatter by speakers boring and generally (if Ernie was here) I would be right into it, but can't seem to get into gear.  I was sitting with 2 of my friends so that made it a little easier.

After 2 hours of the speaker talking we had a break and I went outside to have a cigarette where there were several people and two women came up to me and chatted and it felt good to be treated like a human being without being looked at as a widow. What happened next I'm blaming on trying to quit smoking and think that the extra oxygen to my brain has done damage. LOL  One of the women brought out gum and the other something liquid and said we should take it so we didn't smell of smoke.  I took the liquid (there is such a thing) and as she poured a bit into the palm of my hand I stuck my tongue on it and oh my, it tasted horrible!  Then I heard her say to the other girl 'yes, that Sachet is a beautiful smell!'  OMG, I had just licked up Sachet and I didn't have the nerve to tell them what I did. I had to rush into the washroom and clean out my mouth!  I can still taste it!  What a day! LOL 

Comment by Marsha H on October 25, 2013 at 3:17am

Carol ... always there for a laugh.  Sometimes laughter is the best medicine if we can muster it up and I know it's not always easy for some, but I mean no disrespect.

Oh boy, a flood from the ceiling.  Goes to show you how tight our government is keeping up our hospitals. 

Love you too!

Marsha

Comment by Marsha H on October 25, 2013 at 3:15am

Dear Diane C ... I am happy you liked the way I had dealt with my brother.  We must also remember that others in the family grieve for our loved one as well although not grieving as deeply as ourselves.  I believe in good communication skills in as calm a way as possible and expressing feelings on both sides.  If the other person can't or won't express themselves then it's important you get your feelings out in the open and over with.  Then your brother can't ever come back at you.  Family is so important. 

Our weather has been warm and sunny during the day and cool at night and tonight a wee bit of fog.  I don't envy you the snow.  I use to love waiting for the first fall of snow (if we got any where I live .. generally stays on the mountains) but that was when Ernie was still here and he drove.  Now I have to learn to do everything on my own and pray a lot. 

Here's a good tip I use for weight in my car (Toyota) I use two bags of kitty litters and this way if you get stuck anywhere it can be put under the tires for traction and is much better than sand.  It's a thought.

Comment by Carol Kayser on October 24, 2013 at 11:36pm

Hi Marsha! Love you!!! keep on making us smile - it's great!  Hey the hospital had a flood today at work - not big enough to have us on the news but water was pouring out of the ceiling like a waterfall!!!

 

Hugs,

Carol

 

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